The asifa is rubbing it in our faces.

There's one difference though. Asifos against the internet doesn't attack the essence of the person the same way tznius does. These tznius asifos attack the inherent femininity of women and has disastrous consequences.

Those asufos are also disrespectful. It's treating us like juveniles. We were talking particularly about tznius asifos here. It's not mutually exclusive.

There's a difference between being critical and being a critical thinker.

ס'סתם פטומי מילי דיינע רייד ווייל דער עיקר אביוז אדער להיפוך קומט פון די חינוך אין ''שטוב'' דער ציבור קען זייער גערן באשטיין אלעס אנצושמירען אויפען מוסד מילא רעדט מען אזוינע מילי. צוריק צום נושא: ווייסט איינער עפעס מער איבער דעים? I'm Sorry, but 'families' don't happen in a vacuum. There's a societ...

These asifos bother me deeply because it shows such blatant disrespect towards our women. Instead of exalting them for all the sacrifices They make, we only get told how bad we are.

You're, joking, right?
The more you talk about tznius, the more the women will buy expensive clothes. It's a result of all this obsession with tznius.

Throwing the kids out from school won't solve the problem. They'll start their own school. What will solve the problem is stopping to lecture so much about tznius to tzniusdige women and give women other forms of expressing their yiddishkeit besides tznius. Stop telling women that tznius to them is ...

Where did you see the word religion? And according to my experience, this problem is more prevalent in the chassidish world. You are misinterpreting almost everything I'm saying. Maybe you should learn how to use Google translate better. Find me a woman who doesn't want her husband clean and decent ...

I never said women don't care about their husband's rochnius. Of course they do. What I said was for the husband to respect HER rochnius! Some chassidic men have this attitude that a women's rochnius is not as important as having his fancy breakfast or lunch. Most women want their ruchnius respected...

לערנען לשון הקודש וואלט נישט צופיל געהאלפן. צו פארשטיין וואס קליפת נוגה מיינט דארף מען הארעווען אין א חסידישע ישיבה עטליכע יאר. און גלייב מיר, ס'איז נישט ווערד. Is it really not worth it all those years in yeshiva? For someone who likes to learn, isn't it heaven? I understand that boys who don't li...

I'll add that most women want their men to look good and be clean. They should take care of themselves a Bit.
Have an opinion when asked.
Respect her רוחניות and not tell her that it's not important.

What you said was that feminism is inherently sexist because it's built on the premise that men are sexist so it assumes a differences between the genders thus making it sexist. What I was pointing our was that in a patriarchal society, women will be sexists too, as studies show. So that premise fal...

It's sickening. Seriously, our women are so good, They sacrifice so much, way more than most men. Why do They always pick on us? What did we do that's so bad to deserve so much derision.

Discussions like this make me wish I They taught me more in school. Hard to follow all the puns and idioms without a good understanding of לשון קודש.

You guys are hysterical. You see how a language barrier can cause trouble.

Motti, you never tried teaching girls, did you? There's no shortage of teachers quiting and first year teachers not controlling the classroom. But because the norm is that young girls teach, there's more of a chance They should succeed so that's a very bad example. if it would be the norm by boys, I...

Gefilte, maybe the reason there's no equivalent site as kave shteibel is because less chassidic women have access to internet and those that do are too busy with their kids?

I said more women think in grey and nuances. This was my experience from the men and women I interacted with until I found this site. Most of the men I know are way more black and white and into what 'everyone ' does. No appreciation for art and literature or individualism probably because They neve...

יאיר, one problem with your logic is that women can't be sexist. But that's not true. Women can be sexist too. I can't even count the number of times I've heard women say that male doctors are better just because they're male or that women don't have daas Torah. It's so deeply ingrained in our socie...

What's מאחרי? And what is סיסטעם געשלאגן? It's interesting that you're saying that more men laugh at the system. I was very surprised to find kave shteibel. I always thought that way more women think in grey and nuances than men. But you do raise an I interesting point that deserves its own thread. ...

You care to elaborate on problems that come along with a strong character? You did resort to the b word, even though you didn't spell it out...
How are those problems different than a man that has a strong character?

I know what the chinuch is like unfortunately. I've been through the system. But not accepting it doesn't make you a word that starts with a b. It's when you have to fight and fight and fight, and be told again and again how wrong, crazy you are, that will turn anyone bitter. Now the fact that stron...