List of Gedolim who earned a honest living - please add

[real jew]

After reading the vast majority of orthodox publications on the Israeli draft, and seeing that almost all accepted the fact that full time torah learning for married men (with families) is not only customary but mandatory, and this practice is what held us as a nation for the past 2000 years in exile – and that even the secular Jews should know better than drafting torah learning Jews into the army, I decided to do some research on when this life style really began, to my amazement I found that not only is there nothing in torah supporting this lifestyle these is a outright ban on learning full time and accepting stipends to support your family.

Although there are some acceptations to the halacha (based on הפרו תורתך עת לעשות לה') for a rav, machbar sefroim, marbitz torah etc. there is no heter for a one who punches the clock, learns all the sedroim, and never misses a seder in kollel to learn full time and accept kollel money. The Satmar Ruv ZT”L did not allow Satmar to open a kollel until close to 1930 when some of his best yungerleit when to Other kollelim and he was forced to open a kollel to keep his yungerleit from going elsewhere.

There is a letter from Rebbe Asher Perlow (the first of Stolin 1760–1826 - son of Rebbe Aaron HaGadol) that says is more important for a Jewish young man to work and do mitzvah’s than to learn full time. Never was this the norm is Judaism, this life style has nothing with torah and mitzvos.

The following is a list of a few of the many godolim who earned a honest living and were not ashamed to work:

Tzvi Hirsch ben Yaakov Ashkenazi (1656 - 1718) Chacham Tzvi
On the advice of his father-in-law he went in 1690 to Altona, where the leading members of the congregation founded a study-house (Klaus) and installed Ashkenazi as rabbi. His yeshiva became celebrated, and pupils assembled from all parts to hear him; but his income as rabbi of the Klaus was only 60 thalers annually, so that he was compelled to defray his living expenses by engaging in various business pursuits (e.g. dealing in jewelry). After the death of his father-in-law, whom Ashkenazi had latterly aided in his official duties, one party in the Jewish community wished to have Ashkenazi installed as rabbi of the three congregations (the unity known as AH"U), while another party favored the election of Moses ben Alexander Rothenburg. Finally it was decided that both candidates should serve, but alternately, each for a period of six months. Friction and strife over religious questions ensued, and finally became so intense that, in 1709, Ashkenazi deemed it advisable to resign and resume his duties as rabbi of the Klaus

Jacob Emden also known as Ya'avetz, (June 4, 1697 - April 19, 1776),
Emden spent three years at Ungarisch-Brod, where he held the office of private lecturer in Talmud. Later he became a dealer in jewelry and other articles, an occupation which compelled him to travel. He generally declined to accept the office of rabbi, though in 1728 he was induced to accept the rabbinate of Emden, from which place he took his name.

Ephraim Zalman Margolis (December 19, 1762–August 24, 1828)
He received his Talmudic education at different yeshivas, in which he distinuished himself for the acuteness of his intellect and for his astonishing memory. His correspondence with Ezekiel Landau and other leading Talmudists soon gained for him a high reputation. He established a banking-house which proved so successful that within a short time he became quite wealthy. In 1785 he published his responsa entitled Bet Hadash ha-Hadashot, and in the following year the rabbis of Brody elected him one of their number. Being of independent means, he opened in his house a yeshivah of which he was the head; several of his pupils became eminent rabbis.

Joseph Saul Nathansohn (1808 - 1875)
was very wealthy, and was known for his activity as a philanthropist

Rabbi Menachem Ziemba 1883–1943
When his father-in-law died, Rabbi Ziemba found it necessary to help out in the former's store in order to continue supporting his family. He rejected numerous offers to serve as rabbi in many towns and cities, saying that he had more time to study while working than as a communal rabbi.
Between 1930 and 1935, the world economic depression affected Rabbi Ziemba. His store was forced to close. He was offered the prestigious position of Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, but turned it down. After the untimely death of Rabbi Meir Shapiro, Rabbi Ziemba was offered the position as his successor as both Rabbi of Lublin and rosh yeshiva of Yeshivas Chachmei Lublin. For unknown reasons, this never came to pass.

Yosef Dov Soloveitchik ( 1820 – 1892) (Beis Halevi)
Owned real estates and earned money through business

Yehudah Aryeh Leib Alter (1847–1905 Sfas Emes)
Sold seforim in his early years

Source Wikipedia

וְכָל תּוֹרָה שֶׁאֵין עִמָּהּ מְלָאכָה, סוֹפָהּ בְּטֵלָה וְגוֹרֶרֶת עָוֹן”

כל המשים על לבו שיעסוק בתורה ולא יעשה מלאכה ויתפרנס מן הצדקה הרי זה חלל את השם ובזה את התורה וכבה מאור הדת וגרם רעה לעצמו ונטל חייו מן העולם הבא. לפי שאסור ליהנות מדברי תורה בעולם הזה. אמרו חכמים כל הנהנה מדברי תורה נטל חייו מן העולם.

[דולה ומשקה]

איך ווייס כמה וכמה פון היינטיגע אדמורי"ם וואס זענען אין די ריעל עסטעיט ביזנעס.
פשוט, זיי נעמען דער ערשטע דאון-פעימענט פארן הויז פון יענעם וואס גיט תמימות'דיגעהייט 'מעמדות' וכו', איינמאל דו האסט א הויז בחנם, פון דארט פארט זיך עס שוין זייער גרינג.

[זר זהב]

אדמו"ר מ'פעסט האלט זיך אליינס אויס (געהערט פון אן אינסיידער)

[real jew]

איך ווייס כמה וכמה פון היינטיגע ארדמורי"ם וואס זענען אין די ריעל עסטעיט ביסנעס.
פשוט, זיי נעמען דער ערשטע דאון-פעימענט פארן הויז פון יענעם וואס גיט תמימות'דיגעהייט 'מעמדות' וכו', איינומאל די האסט א הויז בחנם, פון דארט פארט זיך עס שוין זייער גרינג.

the only reason people give מעמדות is to make a קשר between the rebbe and the chusid I think in todays world were the rebbe's have more $ than the chassdim its time to make a change were the rebbe's will give the chasdim מעמדות and that will make an even stronger קשר

[gehlungen]

After reading the vast majority of orthodox publications on the Israeli draft, and seeing that almost all accepted the fact that full time torah learning for married men (with families) is not only customary but mandatory, and this practice is what held us as a nation for the past 2000 years in exile – and that even the secular Jews should know better than drafting torah learning Jews into the army, I decided to do some research on when this life style really began, to my amazement I found that not only is there nothing in torah supporting this lifestyle these is a outright ban on learning full time and accepting stipends to support your family.

Although there are some acceptations to the halacha (based on הפרו תורתך עת לעשות לה') for a rav, machbar sefroim, marbitz torah etc. there is no heter for a one who punches the clock, learns all the sedroim, and never misses a seder in kollel to learn full time and accept kollel money. The Satmar Ruv ZT”L did not allow Satmar to open a kollel until close to 1930 when some of his best yungerleit when to Other kollelim and he was forced to open a kollel to keep his yungerleit from going elsewhere.

There is a letter from Rebbe Asher Perlow (the first of Stolin 1760–1826 - son of Rebbe Aaron HaGadol) that says is more important for a Jewish young man to work and do mitzvah’s than to learn full time. Never was this the norm is Judaism, this life style has nothing with torah and mitzvos.

The following is a list of a few of the many godolim who earned a honest living and were not ashamed to work:

Tzvi Hirsch ben Yaakov Ashkenazi (1656 - 1718) Chacham Tzvi
On the advice of his father-in-law he went in 1690 to Altona, where the leading members of the congregation founded a study-house (Klaus) and installed Ashkenazi as rabbi. His yeshiva became celebrated, and pupils assembled from all parts to hear him; but his income as rabbi of the Klaus was only 60 thalers annually, so that he was compelled to defray his living expenses by engaging in various business pursuits (e.g. dealing in jewelry). After the death of his father-in-law, whom Ashkenazi had latterly aided in his official duties, one party in the Jewish community wished to have Ashkenazi installed as rabbi of the three congregations (the unity known as AH"U), while another party favored the election of Moses ben Alexander Rothenburg. Finally it was decided that both candidates should serve, but alternately, each for a period of six months. Friction and strife over religious questions ensued, and finally became so intense that, in 1709, Ashkenazi deemed it advisable to resign and resume his duties as rabbi of the Klaus

Jacob Emden also known as Ya'avetz, (June 4, 1697 - April 19, 1776),
Emden spent three years at Ungarisch-Brod, where he held the office of private lecturer in Talmud. Later he became a dealer in jewelry and other articles, an occupation which compelled him to travel. He generally declined to accept the office of rabbi, though in 1728 he was induced to accept the rabbinate of Emden, from which place he took his name.

Ephraim Zalman Margolis (December 19, 1762–August 24, 1828)
He received his Talmudic education at different yeshivas, in which he distinuished himself for the acuteness of his intellect and for his astonishing memory. His correspondence with Ezekiel Landau and other leading Talmudists soon gained for him a high reputation. He established a banking-house which proved so successful that within a short time he became quite wealthy. In 1785 he published his responsa entitled Bet Hadash ha-Hadashot, and in the following year the rabbis of Brody elected him one of their number. Being of independent means, he opened in his house a yeshivah of which he was the head; several of his pupils became eminent rabbis.

Joseph Saul Nathansohn (1808 - 1875)
was very wealthy, and was known for his activity as a philanthropist

Rabbi Menachem Ziemba 1883–1943
When his father-in-law died, Rabbi Ziemba found it necessary to help out in the former's store in order to continue supporting his family. He rejected numerous offers to serve as rabbi in many towns and cities, saying that he had more time to study while working than as a communal rabbi.
Between 1930 and 1935, the world economic depression affected Rabbi Ziemba. His store was forced to close. He was offered the prestigious position of Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, but turned it down. After the untimely death of Rabbi Meir Shapiro, Rabbi Ziemba was offered the position as his successor as both Rabbi of Lublin and rosh yeshiva of Yeshivas Chachmei Lublin. For unknown reasons, this never came to pass.

Yosef Dov Soloveitchik ( 1820 – 1892) (Beis Halevi)
Owned real estates and earned money through business

Yehudah Aryeh Leib Alter (1847–1905 Sfas Emes)
Sold seforim in his early years

וְכָל תּוֹרָה שֶׁאֵין עִמָּהּ מְלָאכָה, סוֹפָהּ בְּטֵלָה וְגוֹרֶרֶת עָוֹן”

כל המשים על לבו שיעסוק בתורה ולא יעשה מלאכה ויתפרנס מן הצדקה הרי זה חלל את השם ובזה את התורה וכבה מאור הדת וגרם רעה לעצמו ונטל חייו מן העולם הבא. לפי שאסור ליהנות מדברי תורה בעולם הזה. אמרו חכמים כל הנהנה מדברי תורה נטל חייו מן העולם.

The redomsker rebbe ztz"l

[זר זהב]

After reading the vast majority of orthodox publications on the Israeli draft, and seeing that almost all accepted the fact that full time torah learning for married men (with families) is not only customary but mandatory, and this practice is what held us as a nation for the past 2000 years in exile – and that even the secular Jews should know better than drafting torah learning Jews into the army, I decided to do some research on when this life style really began, to my amazement I found that not only is there nothing in torah supporting this lifestyle these is a outright ban on learning full time and accepting stipends to support your family.

Although there are some acceptations to the halacha (based on הפרו תורתך עת לעשות לה') for a rav, machbar sefroim, marbitz torah etc. there is no heter for a one who punches the clock, learns all the sedroim, and never misses a seder in kollel to learn full time and accept kollel money. The Satmar Ruv ZT”L did not allow Satmar to open a kollel until close to 1930 when some of his best yungerleit when to Other kollelim and he was forced to open a kollel to keep his yungerleit from going elsewhere.

There is a letter from Rebbe Asher Perlow (the first of Stolin 1760–1826 - son of Rebbe Aaron HaGadol) that says is more important for a Jewish young man to work and do mitzvah’s than to learn full time. Never was this the norm is Judaism, this life style has nothing with torah and mitzvos.

The following is a list of a few of the many godolim who earned a honest living and were not ashamed to work:

Tzvi Hirsch ben Yaakov Ashkenazi (1656 - 1718) Chacham Tzvi
On the advice of his father-in-law he went in 1690 to Altona, where the leading members of the congregation founded a study-house (Klaus) and installed Ashkenazi as rabbi. His yeshiva became celebrated, and pupils assembled from all parts to hear him; but his income as rabbi of the Klaus was only 60 thalers annually, so that he was compelled to defray his living expenses by engaging in various business pursuits (e.g. dealing in jewelry). After the death of his father-in-law, whom Ashkenazi had latterly aided in his official duties, one party in the Jewish community wished to have Ashkenazi installed as rabbi of the three congregations (the unity known as AH"U), while another party favored the election of Moses ben Alexander Rothenburg. Finally it was decided that both candidates should serve, but alternately, each for a period of six months. Friction and strife over religious questions ensued, and finally became so intense that, in 1709, Ashkenazi deemed it advisable to resign and resume his duties as rabbi of the Klaus

Jacob Emden also known as Ya'avetz, (June 4, 1697 - April 19, 1776),
Emden spent three years at Ungarisch-Brod, where he held the office of private lecturer in Talmud. Later he became a dealer in jewelry and other articles, an occupation which compelled him to travel. He generally declined to accept the office of rabbi, though in 1728 he was induced to accept the rabbinate of Emden, from which place he took his name.

Ephraim Zalman Margolis (December 19, 1762–August 24, 1828)
He received his Talmudic education at different yeshivas, in which he distinuished himself for the acuteness of his intellect and for his astonishing memory. His correspondence with Ezekiel Landau and other leading Talmudists soon gained for him a high reputation. He established a banking-house which proved so successful that within a short time he became quite wealthy. In 1785 he published his responsa entitled Bet Hadash ha-Hadashot, and in the following year the rabbis of Brody elected him one of their number. Being of independent means, he opened in his house a yeshivah of which he was the head; several of his pupils became eminent rabbis.

Joseph Saul Nathansohn (1808 - 1875)
was very wealthy, and was known for his activity as a philanthropist

Rabbi Menachem Ziemba 1883–1943
When his father-in-law died, Rabbi Ziemba found it necessary to help out in the former's store in order to continue supporting his family. He rejected numerous offers to serve as rabbi in many towns and cities, saying that he had more time to study while working than as a communal rabbi.
Between 1930 and 1935, the world economic depression affected Rabbi Ziemba. His store was forced to close. He was offered the prestigious position of Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, but turned it down. After the untimely death of Rabbi Meir Shapiro, Rabbi Ziemba was offered the position as his successor as both Rabbi of Lublin and rosh yeshiva of Yeshivas Chachmei Lublin. For unknown reasons, this never came to pass.

Yosef Dov Soloveitchik ( 1820 – 1892) (Beis Halevi)
Owned real estates and earned money through business

Yehudah Aryeh Leib Alter (1847–1905 Sfas Emes)
Sold seforim in his early years

וְכָל תּוֹרָה שֶׁאֵין עִמָּהּ מְלָאכָה, סוֹפָהּ בְּטֵלָה וְגוֹרֶרֶת עָוֹן”

כל המשים על לבו שיעסוק בתורה ולא יעשה מלאכה ויתפרנס מן הצדקה הרי זה חלל את השם ובזה את התורה וכבה מאור הדת וגרם רעה לעצמו ונטל חייו מן העולם הבא. לפי שאסור ליהנות מדברי תורה בעולם הזה. אמרו חכמים כל הנהנה מדברי תורה נטל חייו מן העולם.

The redomsker rebbe ztz"l

? You're sure

[gehlungen]

how about the BEIRACH MOISHEH ZTZ"L ???

[קרעקער]

די רבנים האלטן אז צו זיין א רבי איז אויך א פרנסה
זענען זיי דען נישט גערעכט? מענטשן קומען און געבן געלט, נאכדעם קען מען קויפן ריעל עסטעט

[קאווע טרינקער]

רבי ישראל, דער "בעל-שם-טוב", איז רעקאדירט אלץ א מיטל-קלאס פארדינער, ער האט יא געפיילט טעקסט!!!! זעהט זיך אויס אז ער איז נישט געווען א חסיד....
וואס מיינסטו, אלעקסיי האט געארבעט בחינם? ס'איז נישט לייכט צו פארן אין די וועלדער יעדע מוצאי שבת....

[געפילטע פיש]

After reading the vast majority of orthodox publications on the Israeli draft, and seeing that almost all accepted the fact that full time torah learning for married men (with families) is not only customary but mandatory, and this practice is what held us as a nation for the past 2000 years in exile – and that even the secular Jews should know better than drafting torah learning Jews into the army, I decided to do some research on when this life style really began, to my amazement I found that not only is there nothing in torah supporting this lifestyle these is a outright ban on learning full time and accepting stipends to support your family.

Although there are some acceptations to the halacha (based on הפרו תורתך עת לעשות לה') for a rav, machbar sefroim, marbitz torah etc. there is no heter for a one who punches the clock, learns all the sedroim, and never misses a seder in kollel to learn full time and accept kollel money. The Satmar Ruv ZT”L did not allow Satmar to open a kollel until close to 1930 when some of his best yungerleit when to Other kollelim and he was forced to open a kollel to keep his yungerleit from going elsewhere.

There is a letter from Rebbe Asher Perlow (the first of Stolin 1760–1826 - son of Rebbe Aaron HaGadol) that says is more important for a Jewish young man to work and do mitzvah’s than to learn full time. Never was this the norm is Judaism, this life style has nothing with torah and mitzvos.

The following is a list of a few of the many godolim who earned a honest living and were not ashamed to work:

Tzvi Hirsch ben Yaakov Ashkenazi (1656 - 1718) Chacham Tzvi
On the advice of his father-in-law he went in 1690 to Altona, where the leading members of the congregation founded a study-house (Klaus) and installed Ashkenazi as rabbi. His yeshiva became celebrated, and pupils assembled from all parts to hear him; but his income as rabbi of the Klaus was only 60 thalers annually, so that he was compelled to defray his living expenses by engaging in various business pursuits (e.g. dealing in jewelry). After the death of his father-in-law, whom Ashkenazi had latterly aided in his official duties, one party in the Jewish community wished to have Ashkenazi installed as rabbi of the three congregations (the unity known as AH"U), while another party favored the election of Moses ben Alexander Rothenburg. Finally it was decided that both candidates should serve, but alternately, each for a period of six months. Friction and strife over religious questions ensued, and finally became so intense that, in 1709, Ashkenazi deemed it advisable to resign and resume his duties as rabbi of the Klaus

Jacob Emden also known as Ya'avetz, (June 4, 1697 - April 19, 1776),
Emden spent three years at Ungarisch-Brod, where he held the office of private lecturer in Talmud. Later he became a dealer in jewelry and other articles, an occupation which compelled him to travel. He generally declined to accept the office of rabbi, though in 1728 he was induced to accept the rabbinate of Emden, from which place he took his name.

Ephraim Zalman Margolis (December 19, 1762–August 24, 1828)
He received his Talmudic education at different yeshivas, in which he distinuished himself for the acuteness of his intellect and for his astonishing memory. His correspondence with Ezekiel Landau and other leading Talmudists soon gained for him a high reputation. He established a banking-house which proved so successful that within a short time he became quite wealthy. In 1785 he published his responsa entitled Bet Hadash ha-Hadashot, and in the following year the rabbis of Brody elected him one of their number. Being of independent means, he opened in his house a yeshivah of which he was the head; several of his pupils became eminent rabbis.

Joseph Saul Nathansohn (1808 - 1875)
was very wealthy, and was known for his activity as a philanthropist

Rabbi Menachem Ziemba 1883–1943
When his father-in-law died, Rabbi Ziemba found it necessary to help out in the former's store in order to continue supporting his family. He rejected numerous offers to serve as rabbi in many towns and cities, saying that he had more time to study while working than as a communal rabbi.
Between 1930 and 1935, the world economic depression affected Rabbi Ziemba. His store was forced to close. He was offered the prestigious position of Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, but turned it down. After the untimely death of Rabbi Meir Shapiro, Rabbi Ziemba was offered the position as his successor as both Rabbi of Lublin and rosh yeshiva of Yeshivas Chachmei Lublin. For unknown reasons, this never came to pass.

Yosef Dov Soloveitchik ( 1820 – 1892) (Beis Halevi)
Owned real estates and earned money through business

Yehudah Aryeh Leib Alter (1847–1905 Sfas Emes)
Sold seforim in his early years

וְכָל תּוֹרָה שֶׁאֵין עִמָּהּ מְלָאכָה, סוֹפָהּ בְּטֵלָה וְגוֹרֶרֶת עָוֹן”

כל המשים על לבו שיעסוק בתורה ולא יעשה מלאכה ויתפרנס מן הצדקה הרי זה חלל את השם ובזה את התורה וכבה מאור הדת וגרם רעה לעצמו ונטל חייו מן העולם הבא. לפי שאסור ליהנות מדברי תורה בעולם הזה. אמרו חכמים כל הנהנה מדברי תורה נטל חייו מן העולם.

After reading the vast majority of orthodox publications on the Israeli draft, and seeing that almost all accepted the fact that full time torah learning for married men (with families) is not only customary but mandatory, and this practice is what held us as a nation for the past 2000 years in exile – and that even the secular Jews should know better than drafting torah learning Jews into the army, I decided to do some research on when this life style really began, to my amazement I found that not only is there nothing in torah supporting this lifestyle these is a outright ban on learning full time and accepting stipends to support your family.

Although there are some acceptations to the halacha (based on הפרו תורתך עת לעשות לה') for a rav, machbar sefroim, marbitz torah etc. there is no heter for a one who punches the clock, learns all the sedroim, and never misses a seder in kollel to learn full time and accept kollel money. The Satmar Ruv ZT”L did not allow Satmar to open a kollel until close to 1930 when some of his best yungerleit when to Other kollelim and he was forced to open a kollel to keep his yungerleit from going elsewhere.

There is a letter from Rebbe Asher Perlow (the first of Stolin 1760–1826 - son of Rebbe Aaron HaGadol) that says is more important for a Jewish young man to work and do mitzvah’s than to learn full time. Never was this the norm is Judaism, this life style has nothing with torah and mitzvos.

The following is a list of a few of the many godolim who earned a honest living and were not ashamed to work:

Tzvi Hirsch ben Yaakov Ashkenazi (1656 - 1718) Chacham Tzvi
On the advice of his father-in-law he went in 1690 to Altona, where the leading members of the congregation founded a study-house (Klaus) and installed Ashkenazi as rabbi. His yeshiva became celebrated, and pupils assembled from all parts to hear him; but his income as rabbi of the Klaus was only 60 thalers annually, so that he was compelled to defray his living expenses by engaging in various business pursuits (e.g. dealing in jewelry). After the death of his father-in-law, whom Ashkenazi had latterly aided in his official duties, one party in the Jewish community wished to have Ashkenazi installed as rabbi of the three congregations (the unity known as AH"U), while another party favored the election of Moses ben Alexander Rothenburg. Finally it was decided that both candidates should serve, but alternately, each for a period of six months. Friction and strife over religious questions ensued, and finally became so intense that, in 1709, Ashkenazi deemed it advisable to resign and resume his duties as rabbi of the Klaus

Jacob Emden also known as Ya'avetz, (June 4, 1697 - April 19, 1776),
Emden spent three years at Ungarisch-Brod, where he held the office of private lecturer in Talmud. Later he became a dealer in jewelry and other articles, an occupation which compelled him to travel. He generally declined to accept the office of rabbi, though in 1728 he was induced to accept the rabbinate of Emden, from which place he took his name.

Ephraim Zalman Margolis (December 19, 1762–August 24, 1828)
He received his Talmudic education at different yeshivas, in which he distinuished himself for the acuteness of his intellect and for his astonishing memory. His correspondence with Ezekiel Landau and other leading Talmudists soon gained for him a high reputation. He established a banking-house which proved so successful that within a short time he became quite wealthy. In 1785 he published his responsa entitled Bet Hadash ha-Hadashot, and in the following year the rabbis of Brody elected him one of their number. Being of independent means, he opened in his house a yeshivah of which he was the head; several of his pupils became eminent rabbis.

Joseph Saul Nathansohn (1808 - 1875)
was very wealthy, and was known for his activity as a philanthropist

Rabbi Menachem Ziemba 1883–1943
When his father-in-law died, Rabbi Ziemba found it necessary to help out in the former's store in order to continue supporting his family. He rejected numerous offers to serve as rabbi in many towns and cities, saying that he had more time to study while working than as a communal rabbi.
Between 1930 and 1935, the world economic depression affected Rabbi Ziemba. His store was forced to close. He was offered the prestigious position of Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, but turned it down. After the untimely death of Rabbi Meir Shapiro, Rabbi Ziemba was offered the position as his successor as both Rabbi of Lublin and rosh yeshiva of Yeshivas Chachmei Lublin. For unknown reasons, this never came to pass.

Yosef Dov Soloveitchik ( 1820 – 1892) (Beis Halevi)
Owned real estates and earned money through business

Yehudah Aryeh Leib Alter (1847–1905 Sfas Emes)
Sold seforim in his early years

וְכָל תּוֹרָה שֶׁאֵין עִמָּהּ מְלָאכָה, סוֹפָהּ בְּטֵלָה וְגוֹרֶרֶת עָוֹן”

כל המשים על לבו שיעסוק בתורה ולא יעשה מלאכה ויתפרנס מן הצדקה הרי זה חלל את השם ובזה את התורה וכבה מאור הדת וגרם רעה לעצמו ונטל חייו מן העולם הבא. לפי שאסור ליהנות מדברי תורה בעולם הזה. אמרו חכמים כל הנהנה מדברי תורה נטל חייו מן העולם.

The redomsker rebbe ztz"l

After reading the vast majority of orthodox publications on the Israeli draft, and seeing that almost all accepted the fact that full time torah learning for married men (with families) is not only customary but mandatory, and this practice is what held us as a nation for the past 2000 years in exile – and that even the secular Jews should know better than drafting torah learning Jews into the army, I decided to do some research on when this life style really began, to my amazement I found that not only is there nothing in torah supporting this lifestyle these is a outright ban on learning full time and accepting stipends to support your family.

Although there are some acceptations to the halacha (based on הפרו תורתך עת לעשות לה') for a rav, machbar sefroim, marbitz torah etc. there is no heter for a one who punches the clock, learns all the sedroim, and never misses a seder in kollel to learn full time and accept kollel money. The Satmar Ruv ZT”L did not allow Satmar to open a kollel until close to 1930 when some of his best yungerleit when to Other kollelim and he was forced to open a kollel to keep his yungerleit from going elsewhere.

There is a letter from Rebbe Asher Perlow (the first of Stolin 1760–1826 - son of Rebbe Aaron HaGadol) that says is more important for a Jewish young man to work and do mitzvah’s than to learn full time. Never was this the norm is Judaism, this life style has nothing with torah and mitzvos.

The following is a list of a few of the many godolim who earned a honest living and were not ashamed to work:

Tzvi Hirsch ben Yaakov Ashkenazi (1656 - 1718) Chacham Tzvi
On the advice of his father-in-law he went in 1690 to Altona, where the leading members of the congregation founded a study-house (Klaus) and installed Ashkenazi as rabbi. His yeshiva became celebrated, and pupils assembled from all parts to hear him; but his income as rabbi of the Klaus was only 60 thalers annually, so that he was compelled to defray his living expenses by engaging in various business pursuits (e.g. dealing in jewelry). After the death of his father-in-law, whom Ashkenazi had latterly aided in his official duties, one party in the Jewish community wished to have Ashkenazi installed as rabbi of the three congregations (the unity known as AH"U), while another party favored the election of Moses ben Alexander Rothenburg. Finally it was decided that both candidates should serve, but alternately, each for a period of six months. Friction and strife over religious questions ensued, and finally became so intense that, in 1709, Ashkenazi deemed it advisable to resign and resume his duties as rabbi of the Klaus

Jacob Emden also known as Ya'avetz, (June 4, 1697 - April 19, 1776),
Emden spent three years at Ungarisch-Brod, where he held the office of private lecturer in Talmud. Later he became a dealer in jewelry and other articles, an occupation which compelled him to travel. He generally declined to accept the office of rabbi, though in 1728 he was induced to accept the rabbinate of Emden, from which place he took his name.

Ephraim Zalman Margolis (December 19, 1762–August 24, 1828)
He received his Talmudic education at different yeshivas, in which he distinuished himself for the acuteness of his intellect and for his astonishing memory. His correspondence with Ezekiel Landau and other leading Talmudists soon gained for him a high reputation. He established a banking-house which proved so successful that within a short time he became quite wealthy. In 1785 he published his responsa entitled Bet Hadash ha-Hadashot, and in the following year the rabbis of Brody elected him one of their number. Being of independent means, he opened in his house a yeshivah of which he was the head; several of his pupils became eminent rabbis.

Joseph Saul Nathansohn (1808 - 1875)
was very wealthy, and was known for his activity as a philanthropist

Rabbi Menachem Ziemba 1883–1943
When his father-in-law died, Rabbi Ziemba found it necessary to help out in the former's store in order to continue supporting his family. He rejected numerous offers to serve as rabbi in many towns and cities, saying that he had more time to study while working than as a communal rabbi.
Between 1930 and 1935, the world economic depression affected Rabbi Ziemba. His store was forced to close. He was offered the prestigious position of Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, but turned it down. After the untimely death of Rabbi Meir Shapiro, Rabbi Ziemba was offered the position as his successor as both Rabbi of Lublin and rosh yeshiva of Yeshivas Chachmei Lublin. For unknown reasons, this never came to pass.

Yosef Dov Soloveitchik ( 1820 – 1892) (Beis Halevi)
Owned real estates and earned money through business

Yehudah Aryeh Leib Alter (1847–1905 Sfas Emes)
Sold seforim in his early years

וְכָל תּוֹרָה שֶׁאֵין עִמָּהּ מְלָאכָה, סוֹפָהּ בְּטֵלָה וְגוֹרֶרֶת עָוֹן”

כל המשים על לבו שיעסוק בתורה ולא יעשה מלאכה ויתפרנס מן הצדקה הרי זה חלל את השם ובזה את התורה וכבה מאור הדת וגרם רעה לעצמו ונטל חייו מן העולם הבא. לפי שאסור ליהנות מדברי תורה בעולם הזה. אמרו חכמים כל הנהנה מדברי תורה נטל חייו מן העולם.

The redomsker rebbe ztz"l

? You're sure

!!!i THINK so...... vDa"L

[זר זהב]

After reading the vast majority of orthodox publications on the Israeli draft, and seeing that almost all accepted the fact that full time torah learning for married men (with families) is not only customary but mandatory, and this practice is what held us as a nation for the past 2000 years in exile – and that even the secular Jews should know better than drafting torah learning Jews into the army, I decided to do some research on when this life style really began, to my amazement I found that not only is there nothing in torah supporting this lifestyle these is a outright ban on learning full time and accepting stipends to support your family.

Although there are some acceptations to the halacha (based on הפרו תורתך עת לעשות לה') for a rav, machbar sefroim, marbitz torah etc. there is no heter for a one who punches the clock, learns all the sedroim, and never misses a seder in kollel to learn full time and accept kollel money. The Satmar Ruv ZT”L did not allow Satmar to open a kollel until close to 1930 when some of his best yungerleit when to Other kollelim and he was forced to open a kollel to keep his yungerleit from going elsewhere.

There is a letter from Rebbe Asher Perlow (the first of Stolin 1760–1826 - son of Rebbe Aaron HaGadol) that says is more important for a Jewish young man to work and do mitzvah’s than to learn full time. Never was this the norm is Judaism, this life style has nothing with torah and mitzvos.

The following is a list of a few of the many godolim who earned a honest living and were not ashamed to work:

Tzvi Hirsch ben Yaakov Ashkenazi (1656 - 1718) Chacham Tzvi
On the advice of his father-in-law he went in 1690 to Altona, where the leading members of the congregation founded a study-house (Klaus) and installed Ashkenazi as rabbi. His yeshiva became celebrated, and pupils assembled from all parts to hear him; but his income as rabbi of the Klaus was only 60 thalers annually, so that he was compelled to defray his living expenses by engaging in various business pursuits (e.g. dealing in jewelry). After the death of his father-in-law, whom Ashkenazi had latterly aided in his official duties, one party in the Jewish community wished to have Ashkenazi installed as rabbi of the three congregations (the unity known as AH"U), while another party favored the election of Moses ben Alexander Rothenburg. Finally it was decided that both candidates should serve, but alternately, each for a period of six months. Friction and strife over religious questions ensued, and finally became so intense that, in 1709, Ashkenazi deemed it advisable to resign and resume his duties as rabbi of the Klaus

Jacob Emden also known as Ya'avetz, (June 4, 1697 - April 19, 1776),
Emden spent three years at Ungarisch-Brod, where he held the office of private lecturer in Talmud. Later he became a dealer in jewelry and other articles, an occupation which compelled him to travel. He generally declined to accept the office of rabbi, though in 1728 he was induced to accept the rabbinate of Emden, from which place he took his name.

Ephraim Zalman Margolis (December 19, 1762–August 24, 1828)
He received his Talmudic education at different yeshivas, in which he distinuished himself for the acuteness of his intellect and for his astonishing memory. His correspondence with Ezekiel Landau and other leading Talmudists soon gained for him a high reputation. He established a banking-house which proved so successful that within a short time he became quite wealthy. In 1785 he published his responsa entitled Bet Hadash ha-Hadashot, and in the following year the rabbis of Brody elected him one of their number. Being of independent means, he opened in his house a yeshivah of which he was the head; several of his pupils became eminent rabbis.

Joseph Saul Nathansohn (1808 - 1875)
was very wealthy, and was known for his activity as a philanthropist

Rabbi Menachem Ziemba 1883–1943
When his father-in-law died, Rabbi Ziemba found it necessary to help out in the former's store in order to continue supporting his family. He rejected numerous offers to serve as rabbi in many towns and cities, saying that he had more time to study while working than as a communal rabbi.
Between 1930 and 1935, the world economic depression affected Rabbi Ziemba. His store was forced to close. He was offered the prestigious position of Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, but turned it down. After the untimely death of Rabbi Meir Shapiro, Rabbi Ziemba was offered the position as his successor as both Rabbi of Lublin and rosh yeshiva of Yeshivas Chachmei Lublin. For unknown reasons, this never came to pass.

Yosef Dov Soloveitchik ( 1820 – 1892) (Beis Halevi)
Owned real estates and earned money through business

Yehudah Aryeh Leib Alter (1847–1905 Sfas Emes)
Sold seforim in his early years

וְכָל תּוֹרָה שֶׁאֵין עִמָּהּ מְלָאכָה, סוֹפָהּ בְּטֵלָה וְגוֹרֶרֶת עָוֹן”

כל המשים על לבו שיעסוק בתורה ולא יעשה מלאכה ויתפרנס מן הצדקה הרי זה חלל את השם ובזה את התורה וכבה מאור הדת וגרם רעה לעצמו ונטל חייו מן העולם הבא. לפי שאסור ליהנות מדברי תורה בעולם הזה. אמרו חכמים כל הנהנה מדברי תורה נטל חייו מן העולם.

After reading the vast majority of orthodox publications on the Israeli draft, and seeing that almost all accepted the fact that full time torah learning for married men (with families) is not only customary but mandatory, and this practice is what held us as a nation for the past 2000 years in exile – and that even the secular Jews should know better than drafting torah learning Jews into the army, I decided to do some research on when this life style really began, to my amazement I found that not only is there nothing in torah supporting this lifestyle these is a outright ban on learning full time and accepting stipends to support your family.

Although there are some acceptations to the halacha (based on הפרו תורתך עת לעשות לה') for a rav, machbar sefroim, marbitz torah etc. there is no heter for a one who punches the clock, learns all the sedroim, and never misses a seder in kollel to learn full time and accept kollel money. The Satmar Ruv ZT”L did not allow Satmar to open a kollel until close to 1930 when some of his best yungerleit when to Other kollelim and he was forced to open a kollel to keep his yungerleit from going elsewhere.

There is a letter from Rebbe Asher Perlow (the first of Stolin 1760–1826 - son of Rebbe Aaron HaGadol) that says is more important for a Jewish young man to work and do mitzvah’s than to learn full time. Never was this the norm is Judaism, this life style has nothing with torah and mitzvos.

The following is a list of a few of the many godolim who earned a honest living and were not ashamed to work:

Tzvi Hirsch ben Yaakov Ashkenazi (1656 - 1718) Chacham Tzvi
On the advice of his father-in-law he went in 1690 to Altona, where the leading members of the congregation founded a study-house (Klaus) and installed Ashkenazi as rabbi. His yeshiva became celebrated, and pupils assembled from all parts to hear him; but his income as rabbi of the Klaus was only 60 thalers annually, so that he was compelled to defray his living expenses by engaging in various business pursuits (e.g. dealing in jewelry). After the death of his father-in-law, whom Ashkenazi had latterly aided in his official duties, one party in the Jewish community wished to have Ashkenazi installed as rabbi of the three congregations (the unity known as AH"U), while another party favored the election of Moses ben Alexander Rothenburg. Finally it was decided that both candidates should serve, but alternately, each for a period of six months. Friction and strife over religious questions ensued, and finally became so intense that, in 1709, Ashkenazi deemed it advisable to resign and resume his duties as rabbi of the Klaus

Jacob Emden also known as Ya'avetz, (June 4, 1697 - April 19, 1776),
Emden spent three years at Ungarisch-Brod, where he held the office of private lecturer in Talmud. Later he became a dealer in jewelry and other articles, an occupation which compelled him to travel. He generally declined to accept the office of rabbi, though in 1728 he was induced to accept the rabbinate of Emden, from which place he took his name.

Ephraim Zalman Margolis (December 19, 1762–August 24, 1828)
He received his Talmudic education at different yeshivas, in which he distinuished himself for the acuteness of his intellect and for his astonishing memory. His correspondence with Ezekiel Landau and other leading Talmudists soon gained for him a high reputation. He established a banking-house which proved so successful that within a short time he became quite wealthy. In 1785 he published his responsa entitled Bet Hadash ha-Hadashot, and in the following year the rabbis of Brody elected him one of their number. Being of independent means, he opened in his house a yeshivah of which he was the head; several of his pupils became eminent rabbis.

Joseph Saul Nathansohn (1808 - 1875)
was very wealthy, and was known for his activity as a philanthropist

Rabbi Menachem Ziemba 1883–1943
When his father-in-law died, Rabbi Ziemba found it necessary to help out in the former's store in order to continue supporting his family. He rejected numerous offers to serve as rabbi in many towns and cities, saying that he had more time to study while working than as a communal rabbi.
Between 1930 and 1935, the world economic depression affected Rabbi Ziemba. His store was forced to close. He was offered the prestigious position of Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, but turned it down. After the untimely death of Rabbi Meir Shapiro, Rabbi Ziemba was offered the position as his successor as both Rabbi of Lublin and rosh yeshiva of Yeshivas Chachmei Lublin. For unknown reasons, this never came to pass.

Yosef Dov Soloveitchik ( 1820 – 1892) (Beis Halevi)
Owned real estates and earned money through business

Yehudah Aryeh Leib Alter (1847–1905 Sfas Emes)
Sold seforim in his early years

וְכָל תּוֹרָה שֶׁאֵין עִמָּהּ מְלָאכָה, סוֹפָהּ בְּטֵלָה וְגוֹרֶרֶת עָוֹן”

כל המשים על לבו שיעסוק בתורה ולא יעשה מלאכה ויתפרנס מן הצדקה הרי זה חלל את השם ובזה את התורה וכבה מאור הדת וגרם רעה לעצמו ונטל חייו מן העולם הבא. לפי שאסור ליהנות מדברי תורה בעולם הזה. אמרו חכמים כל הנהנה מדברי תורה נטל חייו מן העולם.

The redomsker rebbe ztz"l

After reading the vast majority of orthodox publications on the Israeli draft, and seeing that almost all accepted the fact that full time torah learning for married men (with families) is not only customary but mandatory, and this practice is what held us as a nation for the past 2000 years in exile – and that even the secular Jews should know better than drafting torah learning Jews into the army, I decided to do some research on when this life style really began, to my amazement I found that not only is there nothing in torah supporting this lifestyle these is a outright ban on learning full time and accepting stipends to support your family.

Although there are some acceptations to the halacha (based on הפרו תורתך עת לעשות לה') for a rav, machbar sefroim, marbitz torah etc. there is no heter for a one who punches the clock, learns all the sedroim, and never misses a seder in kollel to learn full time and accept kollel money. The Satmar Ruv ZT”L did not allow Satmar to open a kollel until close to 1930 when some of his best yungerleit when to Other kollelim and he was forced to open a kollel to keep his yungerleit from going elsewhere.

There is a letter from Rebbe Asher Perlow (the first of Stolin 1760–1826 - son of Rebbe Aaron HaGadol) that says is more important for a Jewish young man to work and do mitzvah’s than to learn full time. Never was this the norm is Judaism, this life style has nothing with torah and mitzvos.

The following is a list of a few of the many godolim who earned a honest living and were not ashamed to work:

Tzvi Hirsch ben Yaakov Ashkenazi (1656 - 1718) Chacham Tzvi
On the advice of his father-in-law he went in 1690 to Altona, where the leading members of the congregation founded a study-house (Klaus) and installed Ashkenazi as rabbi. His yeshiva became celebrated, and pupils assembled from all parts to hear him; but his income as rabbi of the Klaus was only 60 thalers annually, so that he was compelled to defray his living expenses by engaging in various business pursuits (e.g. dealing in jewelry). After the death of his father-in-law, whom Ashkenazi had latterly aided in his official duties, one party in the Jewish community wished to have Ashkenazi installed as rabbi of the three congregations (the unity known as AH"U), while another party favored the election of Moses ben Alexander Rothenburg. Finally it was decided that both candidates should serve, but alternately, each for a period of six months. Friction and strife over religious questions ensued, and finally became so intense that, in 1709, Ashkenazi deemed it advisable to resign and resume his duties as rabbi of the Klaus

Jacob Emden also known as Ya'avetz, (June 4, 1697 - April 19, 1776),
Emden spent three years at Ungarisch-Brod, where he held the office of private lecturer in Talmud. Later he became a dealer in jewelry and other articles, an occupation which compelled him to travel. He generally declined to accept the office of rabbi, though in 1728 he was induced to accept the rabbinate of Emden, from which place he took his name.

Ephraim Zalman Margolis (December 19, 1762–August 24, 1828)
He received his Talmudic education at different yeshivas, in which he distinuished himself for the acuteness of his intellect and for his astonishing memory. His correspondence with Ezekiel Landau and other leading Talmudists soon gained for him a high reputation. He established a banking-house which proved so successful that within a short time he became quite wealthy. In 1785 he published his responsa entitled Bet Hadash ha-Hadashot, and in the following year the rabbis of Brody elected him one of their number. Being of independent means, he opened in his house a yeshivah of which he was the head; several of his pupils became eminent rabbis.

Joseph Saul Nathansohn (1808 - 1875)
was very wealthy, and was known for his activity as a philanthropist

Rabbi Menachem Ziemba 1883–1943
When his father-in-law died, Rabbi Ziemba found it necessary to help out in the former's store in order to continue supporting his family. He rejected numerous offers to serve as rabbi in many towns and cities, saying that he had more time to study while working than as a communal rabbi.
Between 1930 and 1935, the world economic depression affected Rabbi Ziemba. His store was forced to close. He was offered the prestigious position of Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, but turned it down. After the untimely death of Rabbi Meir Shapiro, Rabbi Ziemba was offered the position as his successor as both Rabbi of Lublin and rosh yeshiva of Yeshivas Chachmei Lublin. For unknown reasons, this never came to pass.

Yosef Dov Soloveitchik ( 1820 – 1892) (Beis Halevi)
Owned real estates and earned money through business

Yehudah Aryeh Leib Alter (1847–1905 Sfas Emes)
Sold seforim in his early years

וְכָל תּוֹרָה שֶׁאֵין עִמָּהּ מְלָאכָה, סוֹפָהּ בְּטֵלָה וְגוֹרֶרֶת עָוֹן”

כל המשים על לבו שיעסוק בתורה ולא יעשה מלאכה ויתפרנס מן הצדקה הרי זה חלל את השם ובזה את התורה וכבה מאור הדת וגרם רעה לעצמו ונטל חייו מן העולם הבא. לפי שאסור ליהנות מדברי תורה בעולם הזה. אמרו חכמים כל הנהנה מדברי תורה נטל חייו מן העולם.

The redomsker rebbe ztz"l

? You're sure

!!!i THINK so...... vDa"L

Thats too far fetched

[געפילטע פיש]

After reading the vast majority of orthodox publications on the Israeli draft, and seeing that almost all accepted the fact that full time torah learning for married men (with families) is not only customary but mandatory, and this practice is what held us as a nation for the past 2000 years in exile – and that even the secular Jews should know better than drafting torah learning Jews into the army, I decided to do some research on when this life style really began, to my amazement I found that not only is there nothing in torah supporting this lifestyle these is a outright ban on learning full time and accepting stipends to support your family.

Although there are some acceptations to the halacha (based on הפרו תורתך עת לעשות לה') for a rav, machbar sefroim, marbitz torah etc. there is no heter for a one who punches the clock, learns all the sedroim, and never misses a seder in kollel to learn full time and accept kollel money. The Satmar Ruv ZT”L did not allow Satmar to open a kollel until close to 1930 when some of his best yungerleit when to Other kollelim and he was forced to open a kollel to keep his yungerleit from going elsewhere.

There is a letter from Rebbe Asher Perlow (the first of Stolin 1760–1826 - son of Rebbe Aaron HaGadol) that says is more important for a Jewish young man to work and do mitzvah’s than to learn full time. Never was this the norm is Judaism, this life style has nothing with torah and mitzvos.

The following is a list of a few of the many godolim who earned a honest living and were not ashamed to work:

Tzvi Hirsch ben Yaakov Ashkenazi (1656 - 1718) Chacham Tzvi
On the advice of his father-in-law he went in 1690 to Altona, where the leading members of the congregation founded a study-house (Klaus) and installed Ashkenazi as rabbi. His yeshiva became celebrated, and pupils assembled from all parts to hear him; but his income as rabbi of the Klaus was only 60 thalers annually, so that he was compelled to defray his living expenses by engaging in various business pursuits (e.g. dealing in jewelry). After the death of his father-in-law, whom Ashkenazi had latterly aided in his official duties, one party in the Jewish community wished to have Ashkenazi installed as rabbi of the three congregations (the unity known as AH"U), while another party favored the election of Moses ben Alexander Rothenburg. Finally it was decided that both candidates should serve, but alternately, each for a period of six months. Friction and strife over religious questions ensued, and finally became so intense that, in 1709, Ashkenazi deemed it advisable to resign and resume his duties as rabbi of the Klaus

Jacob Emden also known as Ya'avetz, (June 4, 1697 - April 19, 1776),
Emden spent three years at Ungarisch-Brod, where he held the office of private lecturer in Talmud. Later he became a dealer in jewelry and other articles, an occupation which compelled him to travel. He generally declined to accept the office of rabbi, though in 1728 he was induced to accept the rabbinate of Emden, from which place he took his name.

Ephraim Zalman Margolis (December 19, 1762–August 24, 1828)
He received his Talmudic education at different yeshivas, in which he distinuished himself for the acuteness of his intellect and for his astonishing memory. His correspondence with Ezekiel Landau and other leading Talmudists soon gained for him a high reputation. He established a banking-house which proved so successful that within a short time he became quite wealthy. In 1785 he published his responsa entitled Bet Hadash ha-Hadashot, and in the following year the rabbis of Brody elected him one of their number. Being of independent means, he opened in his house a yeshivah of which he was the head; several of his pupils became eminent rabbis.

Joseph Saul Nathansohn (1808 - 1875)
was very wealthy, and was known for his activity as a philanthropist

Rabbi Menachem Ziemba 1883–1943
When his father-in-law died, Rabbi Ziemba found it necessary to help out in the former's store in order to continue supporting his family. He rejected numerous offers to serve as rabbi in many towns and cities, saying that he had more time to study while working than as a communal rabbi.
Between 1930 and 1935, the world economic depression affected Rabbi Ziemba. His store was forced to close. He was offered the prestigious position of Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, but turned it down. After the untimely death of Rabbi Meir Shapiro, Rabbi Ziemba was offered the position as his successor as both Rabbi of Lublin and rosh yeshiva of Yeshivas Chachmei Lublin. For unknown reasons, this never came to pass.

Yosef Dov Soloveitchik ( 1820 – 1892) (Beis Halevi)
Owned real estates and earned money through business

Yehudah Aryeh Leib Alter (1847–1905 Sfas Emes)
Sold seforim in his early years

וְכָל תּוֹרָה שֶׁאֵין עִמָּהּ מְלָאכָה, סוֹפָהּ בְּטֵלָה וְגוֹרֶרֶת עָוֹן”

כל המשים על לבו שיעסוק בתורה ולא יעשה מלאכה ויתפרנס מן הצדקה הרי זה חלל את השם ובזה את התורה וכבה מאור הדת וגרם רעה לעצמו ונטל חייו מן העולם הבא. לפי שאסור ליהנות מדברי תורה בעולם הזה. אמרו חכמים כל הנהנה מדברי תורה נטל חייו מן העולם.

After reading the vast majority of orthodox publications on the Israeli draft, and seeing that almost all accepted the fact that full time torah learning for married men (with families) is not only customary but mandatory, and this practice is what held us as a nation for the past 2000 years in exile – and that even the secular Jews should know better than drafting torah learning Jews into the army, I decided to do some research on when this life style really began, to my amazement I found that not only is there nothing in torah supporting this lifestyle these is a outright ban on learning full time and accepting stipends to support your family.

Although there are some acceptations to the halacha (based on הפרו תורתך עת לעשות לה') for a rav, machbar sefroim, marbitz torah etc. there is no heter for a one who punches the clock, learns all the sedroim, and never misses a seder in kollel to learn full time and accept kollel money. The Satmar Ruv ZT”L did not allow Satmar to open a kollel until close to 1930 when some of his best yungerleit when to Other kollelim and he was forced to open a kollel to keep his yungerleit from going elsewhere.

There is a letter from Rebbe Asher Perlow (the first of Stolin 1760–1826 - son of Rebbe Aaron HaGadol) that says is more important for a Jewish young man to work and do mitzvah’s than to learn full time. Never was this the norm is Judaism, this life style has nothing with torah and mitzvos.

The following is a list of a few of the many godolim who earned a honest living and were not ashamed to work:

Tzvi Hirsch ben Yaakov Ashkenazi (1656 - 1718) Chacham Tzvi
On the advice of his father-in-law he went in 1690 to Altona, where the leading members of the congregation founded a study-house (Klaus) and installed Ashkenazi as rabbi. His yeshiva became celebrated, and pupils assembled from all parts to hear him; but his income as rabbi of the Klaus was only 60 thalers annually, so that he was compelled to defray his living expenses by engaging in various business pursuits (e.g. dealing in jewelry). After the death of his father-in-law, whom Ashkenazi had latterly aided in his official duties, one party in the Jewish community wished to have Ashkenazi installed as rabbi of the three congregations (the unity known as AH"U), while another party favored the election of Moses ben Alexander Rothenburg. Finally it was decided that both candidates should serve, but alternately, each for a period of six months. Friction and strife over religious questions ensued, and finally became so intense that, in 1709, Ashkenazi deemed it advisable to resign and resume his duties as rabbi of the Klaus

Jacob Emden also known as Ya'avetz, (June 4, 1697 - April 19, 1776),
Emden spent three years at Ungarisch-Brod, where he held the office of private lecturer in Talmud. Later he became a dealer in jewelry and other articles, an occupation which compelled him to travel. He generally declined to accept the office of rabbi, though in 1728 he was induced to accept the rabbinate of Emden, from which place he took his name.

Ephraim Zalman Margolis (December 19, 1762–August 24, 1828)
He received his Talmudic education at different yeshivas, in which he distinuished himself for the acuteness of his intellect and for his astonishing memory. His correspondence with Ezekiel Landau and other leading Talmudists soon gained for him a high reputation. He established a banking-house which proved so successful that within a short time he became quite wealthy. In 1785 he published his responsa entitled Bet Hadash ha-Hadashot, and in the following year the rabbis of Brody elected him one of their number. Being of independent means, he opened in his house a yeshivah of which he was the head; several of his pupils became eminent rabbis.

Joseph Saul Nathansohn (1808 - 1875)
was very wealthy, and was known for his activity as a philanthropist

Rabbi Menachem Ziemba 1883–1943
When his father-in-law died, Rabbi Ziemba found it necessary to help out in the former's store in order to continue supporting his family. He rejected numerous offers to serve as rabbi in many towns and cities, saying that he had more time to study while working than as a communal rabbi.
Between 1930 and 1935, the world economic depression affected Rabbi Ziemba. His store was forced to close. He was offered the prestigious position of Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, but turned it down. After the untimely death of Rabbi Meir Shapiro, Rabbi Ziemba was offered the position as his successor as both Rabbi of Lublin and rosh yeshiva of Yeshivas Chachmei Lublin. For unknown reasons, this never came to pass.

Yosef Dov Soloveitchik ( 1820 – 1892) (Beis Halevi)
Owned real estates and earned money through business

Yehudah Aryeh Leib Alter (1847–1905 Sfas Emes)
Sold seforim in his early years

וְכָל תּוֹרָה שֶׁאֵין עִמָּהּ מְלָאכָה, סוֹפָהּ בְּטֵלָה וְגוֹרֶרֶת עָוֹן”

כל המשים על לבו שיעסוק בתורה ולא יעשה מלאכה ויתפרנס מן הצדקה הרי זה חלל את השם ובזה את התורה וכבה מאור הדת וגרם רעה לעצמו ונטל חייו מן העולם הבא. לפי שאסור ליהנות מדברי תורה בעולם הזה. אמרו חכמים כל הנהנה מדברי תורה נטל חייו מן העולם.

The redomsker rebbe ztz"l

After reading the vast majority of orthodox publications on the Israeli draft, and seeing that almost all accepted the fact that full time torah learning for married men (with families) is not only customary but mandatory, and this practice is what held us as a nation for the past 2000 years in exile – and that even the secular Jews should know better than drafting torah learning Jews into the army, I decided to do some research on when this life style really began, to my amazement I found that not only is there nothing in torah supporting this lifestyle these is a outright ban on learning full time and accepting stipends to support your family.

Although there are some acceptations to the halacha (based on הפרו תורתך עת לעשות לה') for a rav, machbar sefroim, marbitz torah etc. there is no heter for a one who punches the clock, learns all the sedroim, and never misses a seder in kollel to learn full time and accept kollel money. The Satmar Ruv ZT”L did not allow Satmar to open a kollel until close to 1930 when some of his best yungerleit when to Other kollelim and he was forced to open a kollel to keep his yungerleit from going elsewhere.

There is a letter from Rebbe Asher Perlow (the first of Stolin 1760–1826 - son of Rebbe Aaron HaGadol) that says is more important for a Jewish young man to work and do mitzvah’s than to learn full time. Never was this the norm is Judaism, this life style has nothing with torah and mitzvos.

The following is a list of a few of the many godolim who earned a honest living and were not ashamed to work:

Tzvi Hirsch ben Yaakov Ashkenazi (1656 - 1718) Chacham Tzvi
On the advice of his father-in-law he went in 1690 to Altona, where the leading members of the congregation founded a study-house (Klaus) and installed Ashkenazi as rabbi. His yeshiva became celebrated, and pupils assembled from all parts to hear him; but his income as rabbi of the Klaus was only 60 thalers annually, so that he was compelled to defray his living expenses by engaging in various business pursuits (e.g. dealing in jewelry). After the death of his father-in-law, whom Ashkenazi had latterly aided in his official duties, one party in the Jewish community wished to have Ashkenazi installed as rabbi of the three congregations (the unity known as AH"U), while another party favored the election of Moses ben Alexander Rothenburg. Finally it was decided that both candidates should serve, but alternately, each for a period of six months. Friction and strife over religious questions ensued, and finally became so intense that, in 1709, Ashkenazi deemed it advisable to resign and resume his duties as rabbi of the Klaus

Jacob Emden also known as Ya'avetz, (June 4, 1697 - April 19, 1776),
Emden spent three years at Ungarisch-Brod, where he held the office of private lecturer in Talmud. Later he became a dealer in jewelry and other articles, an occupation which compelled him to travel. He generally declined to accept the office of rabbi, though in 1728 he was induced to accept the rabbinate of Emden, from which place he took his name.

Ephraim Zalman Margolis (December 19, 1762–August 24, 1828)
He received his Talmudic education at different yeshivas, in which he distinuished himself for the acuteness of his intellect and for his astonishing memory. His correspondence with Ezekiel Landau and other leading Talmudists soon gained for him a high reputation. He established a banking-house which proved so successful that within a short time he became quite wealthy. In 1785 he published his responsa entitled Bet Hadash ha-Hadashot, and in the following year the rabbis of Brody elected him one of their number. Being of independent means, he opened in his house a yeshivah of which he was the head; several of his pupils became eminent rabbis.

Joseph Saul Nathansohn (1808 - 1875)
was very wealthy, and was known for his activity as a philanthropist

Rabbi Menachem Ziemba 1883–1943
When his father-in-law died, Rabbi Ziemba found it necessary to help out in the former's store in order to continue supporting his family. He rejected numerous offers to serve as rabbi in many towns and cities, saying that he had more time to study while working than as a communal rabbi.
Between 1930 and 1935, the world economic depression affected Rabbi Ziemba. His store was forced to close. He was offered the prestigious position of Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, but turned it down. After the untimely death of Rabbi Meir Shapiro, Rabbi Ziemba was offered the position as his successor as both Rabbi of Lublin and rosh yeshiva of Yeshivas Chachmei Lublin. For unknown reasons, this never came to pass.

Yosef Dov Soloveitchik ( 1820 – 1892) (Beis Halevi)
Owned real estates and earned money through business

Yehudah Aryeh Leib Alter (1847–1905 Sfas Emes)
Sold seforim in his early years

וְכָל תּוֹרָה שֶׁאֵין עִמָּהּ מְלָאכָה, סוֹפָהּ בְּטֵלָה וְגוֹרֶרֶת עָוֹן”

כל המשים על לבו שיעסוק בתורה ולא יעשה מלאכה ויתפרנס מן הצדקה הרי זה חלל את השם ובזה את התורה וכבה מאור הדת וגרם רעה לעצמו ונטל חייו מן העולם הבא. לפי שאסור ליהנות מדברי תורה בעולם הזה. אמרו חכמים כל הנהנה מדברי תורה נטל חייו מן העולם.

The redomsker rebbe ztz"l

? You're sure

!!!i THINK so...... vDa"L
Thats too far fetched

what you MEEN?

[שמעקעדיג]

אזוינע ליצים שוין לאנג נישט געזעהן............

[שמעקעדיג]

רבי ישראל, דער "בעל-שם-טוב", איז רעקאדירט אלץ א מיטל-קלאס פארדינער, ער האט יא געפיילט טעקסט!!!! זעהט זיך אויס אז ער איז נישט געווען א חסיד....
וואס מיינסטו, אלעקסיי האט געארבעט בחינם? ס'איז נישט לייכט צו פארן אין די וועלדער יעדע מוצאי שבת....

אלעקסיי האט געארבעט? אפשר נאר לאקעל. ווייל לאנג-דיסטענס זענען די פערד געפלויגן און אלעקסיי האט געכראפעצט.
עס איז געווען בבחי' הארון נושא את נושאיו.

[דבילה]

רבי ישראל, דער "בעל-שם-טוב", איז רעקאדירט אלץ א מיטל-קלאס פארדינער, ער האט יא געפיילט טעקסט!!!! זעהט זיך אויס אז ער איז נישט געווען א חסיד....
וואס מיינסטו, אלעקסיי האט געארבעט בחינם? ס'איז נישט לייכט צו פארן אין די וועלדער יעדע מוצאי שבת....

אלעקסיי האט געארבעט? אפשר נאר לאקעל. ווייל לאנג-דיסטענס זענען די פערד געפלויגן און אלעקסיי האט געכראפעצט.
עס איז געווען בבחי' הארון נושא את נושאיו.

דער בעל שם האט דעך געהאט א ביזנעס פון שרייבן קמיעות! בחנם הייסט ער "בעל שם"? דאס אידעך על שם אומנתו כבחי' ר' יוחנן הסנדלר וכו'.

[על המחיה]

ר' אברהם חיים ראטה די שומרי אמונים רבי וואס איז יעצט אוועק
האט איבער געלאזט פאר יעדעם בן זכר זיינע א סכום פון 5 מיליאן דאללאר

דאס האט ער נישט באקומען פון שנאררעריי נאר פון ריעל עסטעיט וואס ער האט איינגעקויפט ביים גרעניץ שטחים ווען עס איז נאך געווען זייער ביליג נאך די מלחמת ששת הימים

[berlbalaguleh]

ר' אברהם חיים ראטה די שומרי אמונים רבי וואס איז יעצט אוועק
האט איבער געלאזט פאר יעדעם בן זכר זיינע א סכום פון 5 מיליאן דאללאר

דאס האט ער נישט באקומען פון שנאררעריי נאר פון ריעל עסטעיט וואס ער האט איינגעקויפט ביים גרעניץ שטחים ווען עס איז נאך געווען זייער ביליג נאך די מלחמת ששת הימים

מ'קען דאך אבער צו קומען צו משבח זיין די ציונים ר"ל. ספעציעל נאכדעם וואס די ווערד פון די פראפערטיעס איז ארויף. און דער שומרי אמונים רבי זצ"ל איז דאך געווען נגד הציונים. תיקו.

[היימישער]

קיינמאל נישט געוויסט אז די שומרי אמונים רבי זצ"ל איז געווען נגד הציונים

[פערינא]

די געדוילים וואס תורתם אמונתם מאכן אויך א אנעסט ליווינג?

[berlbalaguleh]

קיינמאל נישט געוויסט אז די שומרי אמונים רבי זצ"ל איז געווען נגד הציונים

וואדען, ר'איז געווען פאר?

[קפנדריא]

ריעל דזשו, סארי טו טעל יו, באט יו העוו נאו קלא ווהאט מיענס 'אנעסט ליווינג'? א רבי אדער רב וואס האט אין לעבן נישט געארבעט נאר געדינט דעם רבוש"ע 24 שעה אין טאג האט נאך געפירט אזא 'אנעסט ליווינג' וי די וואס האבן געארבעט אויך, יעדער גדול האט געהאט זיין דרך, און א צדיק איז א צדיק צו מיט ריעל עסטעיט צו אן ריעל עסטעיט, נאר פאר יור אינפארמעישאן, אסאך פון די 'אנעסט ליווינג' צדיקים האבן אויך שיין גענומען 'אנעסטלי' קווויטל געלט און פדיונות, און פארדאפלט מיט דעם די פוינטס פון די 'אנעסט ליווינג' מיר האבן נאך געקענט טייל פון די וואס האבן געפירט גאר א שטארקע 'אנעסט ליווינג' נעמענדיג פון אלע צדדים אין גרויסן, טו פלופיל די אנעסטי אלל די וועי.